"El Relámpago(LZone) - Humanity First!" (lightningzone)
06/24/2020 at 15:02 • Filed to: None
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"El Relámpago(LZone) - Humanity First!" (lightningzone)
06/24/2020 at 15:02 • Filed to: None | 1
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Now, they're only second cousins. So, do you prefer the Chinese American cousin or the French German one ?
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> El Relámpago(LZone) - Humanity First!
06/24/2020 at 15:12 |
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How did GM manage to hold back Opel so much they're already churning out good looking designs as their cars are getting more and more bloated. That Opel is sharp looking for a sport futility vehicle.
WasGTIthenGTOthenNOVAnowbacktoGTI
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06/24/2020 at 15:23 |
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I’ll take the Buick exterior (sue me) and the Opel interior, thanks.
Milky
> WasGTIthenGTOthenNOVAnowbacktoGTI
06/24/2020 at 15:31 |
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boomer level = max
Discerning
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06/24/2020 at 15:35 |
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I completely forgot that Opel is a part of PSA until this post.
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> Milky
06/24/2020 at 15:36 |
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Well, I sold them to the boomerest of boomers for a year, so that checks out.
Snuze: Needs another Swede
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06/24/2020 at 15:40 |
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To be fair, I think the B uick looks much better in a pro per color, while the Mokka looks like something lifted off the Land Rover design floor.
That being said, I think I’d still take the Mokka for the interior.
nerd_racing
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06/24/2020 at 15:40 |
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I’ll take the green one.
Kar Wai Wong
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06/24/2020 at 15:44 |
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Never thought that the Mokka would one day be one of the most interesting looking cars on the market. The new Corsa kinda looks dated in comparison.
It’s fascinating to see how the same rebadged model diverges from each other under different automakers, while still having to retain the visual link to the previous model in many cases . B asically every famous offroader can be traced back to a licence built, modified, or copy of the original Jeep, and they all turned out wildly different.
duurtlang
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06/24/2020 at 16:58 |
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GM corporate management mismanaged Opel for decades . It’s interesting to me GM never understood the European market. They even mismanaged Daewoo to death in Europe, which is impressive. Even more impressive is that GM owned Opel since the 1920s, so they could have known better.
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> duurtlang
06/24/2020 at 17:05 |
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They should have known better at every step of the way. Stupendously awful mismanagement.
ranwhenparked
> duurtlang
06/24/2020 at 22:31 |
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Things were different when GM was essentially just a holding company with some shared back office/support functions, and let each division and subsidiary operate pretty much autonomously as an automaker within an automaker. Opel continued to ru n themselves for over half a century under GM and were pretty much consistently successful . The parent company didn’t start meddling in a big way until the 1980s, under Roger Smith, when all the divisions lost whatever shreds of independence they still had at that point and the company was fully centralized. The overseas operations were the last parts of the company to be completely assimilated, but their autonomy was chipped away more and more from that point on. Vauxhall, of course, lost everything but their logo in that process.
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duurtlang
> ranwhenparked
06/25/2020 at 02:24 |
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The 80s was incidentally also the last decade that Opel was more than an also-ran. In the 90s they became generic, in the 00s it became superfluous. What GM then did with Daewoo was just stupid. They rebatched it to Chevrolet, moved it up from bargain bin (an almost unique market segment) to almost mainstream (highly competitive segment). Very close to Opel but with inferior cars, and frequently sold in the same dealership. So cannibalism. That the sales of Chevy tanked as a result was to be expected. A first year student could have told them this would happen, but they went ahead with it any way. Incomprehensible.
Carbon Fiber Sasquatch
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06/25/2020 at 11:53 |
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Look at that, the non-GM looks better. How does GM do it? Do they only hire a single designer and put them on the corvette?
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ranwhenparked
> duurtlang
06/25/2020 at 13:31 |
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Roger Smith did serious long lasting damage to GM that they never recovered from, it a single part of the business he didn't mess up. Had he been a secret double agent paid by Toyota to drive the company into the ground, I don't think he could have done worse.